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1)No I have never actually met [livejournal.com profile] starparty. But given that I'm usually one of the loudest and bitchiest about the downfalls of meeting people you've only ever talked to online, I would think that if I'm game to moving in with her that should say something. I seriously doubt a crazy villian could make up herself, her mother and a handful of her friends...though raiel and hayama make me wonder.

2)I don't know when/where my job interview is exactly. That'll be worked out after I arrive.

3)It's a long fucking drive. If Star and I can make it 10.5 hours together in a car, I have a feeling we'll be all right. If it doesn't work out, I come back here or wander off to see Becca in Oklahoma.

4)I know I need a license. I am working on it.

Since this post is obviously for me...

Date: 2004-04-25 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mashoogina.livejournal.com
I only asked these questions because I want you to really think about what you're doing in terms of this kind of commitment that you're making to [livejournal.com profile] starparty. Given recent internet-related events, one can't help but ask these sorts of questions.

1. People are really fucking weird. I knew a girl on-line and off, who went all the way out to Illinois to meet the love of her life (or so she thought) until she got there and realized that the girl who claimed the guy was living with her in a room in her house, was actually pretending to be the guy on-line. Lots of fucked up things have happened.

2. Generally before we go somewhere we have some kind of interview or interviews set up. But that's just me, and I live in a different world than everyone else.

3. Yes, it's a long fucking drive. 10.5 hrs in a car with someone you've never met in your entire life until she comes and picks you up and you move into her house with her parents for God knows how long. I hope you're not moving into a situation that is worse than the one you're in right now.

4. Yes, you do need a Driver's License since that would definitely alleviate all the issues that you currently have in Roanoke Rapids.

I hope you DO get your own bank account and make sure that all of your finances are YOURS and not being frauded around to everyone in your extended family and beyond. You need to establish financial independence, and hopefully, if [livejournal.com profile] starparty doesn't kill you and you end up in a ditch or as a member of some uterine sex cult, you will be able to do that and extract yourself from that all-encompassing shithole of despair you reside in right now.

As for SOAS, I think you should pursue it as one of your options. Don't just give up on it. You have to fight for things you want in this life, and you're not getting any closer to your goals by picking up with some Sailor Moonie and driving off to Ohio or moving to Oklahoma. Is that what you want to be? A permanent house guest for the rest of your life?

I'm saying all this, because no one else is. I'm concerned about your safety and your view of the world, but if you have to drive 100 mph into a brick wall before you realize or are able to establish a life plan, than so be it. I'm saying it because I care and I don't want to see you fuck up and end up back in a bigger ditch than you started out in.

I think it's one of the stupidest decisions I've ever seen anyone make, and I've seen it happen before (as mentioned above). It differs from on-line dating as it is an actual life-commitment you're making here--you're not driving 2 hrs in your own car to have lunch, cocktails, a quick fuck, whatever. I just want to make sure that you've evaluated all of the consequences that this may hold for you and that you're prepared to deal with it... I would ask if you have a concrete Plan B, but you obviously don't have a concrete Plan A. You can't just fly by the seat of your pants, but whatever... that's all I'm going to say.

Remember, I'm saying this as your friend, and if you get mad and don't want to talk to me after you read this, fine. But I've said it because I care and I worry about you, and I think it's fucking stupid what you're doing, and I'm not going to sit on my ass and watch you make this mistake.

P.S.

Date: 2004-04-25 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com
This post wasn't for you. More, it occured to me I should just explain things up front? I know when my friends are concerned. I like to think I wouldn't brush you aside entirely.

Re: Since this post is obviously for me...

Date: 2004-04-26 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starparty.livejournal.com
I wasn’t planning on replying because I didn’t want to cause any problems for Megan but I think there are a few points that need to be addressed.

You say it’s one of the stupidest decisions that you’ve ever seen anyone make. I’m sorry Allie but I’m having a VERY hard time seeing where you are coming from when in at least two posts I’ve seen you go in to detail on just what a GOOD idea it is (Here and Here).

I’m not going to leave Megan in a ditch somewhere. Firstly I can’t stand the sight of even fake blood and secondly I cried my eyes out when my mother accidentally hit a squirrel once. I am really not capable of killing somebody even if I wanted to. And look at it from my point of view. How do I know that Megan isn’t a serial killer that is going to kill my entire family and myself? I know because I’ve talked with her and I trust the judgment of my mother, all of my local friends with live journals, and my own judgment that the contact I’ve had with her is genuine and she is nothing more than what she makes herself out to be, a normal young woman. As for the “uterine sex cult”, I live in Cincinnati. This is one of the LAST places on earth you’d ever find something like that.

Moving up here is a change of pace. It’s not a permanent, no going back kind of thing. We aren’t going to force Megan to stay if she doesn’t like it. In fact my mom has already told me that if M isn’t happy she’s more than willing to buy her a bus ticket to go back home. M’s made it clear that she has no plans whatsoever of becoming a permanent houseguest. The whole idea of her coming up here was letting her stay with us until she got back on her feet. The company I work for has been doing a lot of internal promotions and suddenly has openings that need to be filled. I got a call from my boss two weeks ago asking if it was possible for her to come up any sooner. While this doesn’t guarantee her a job it tells me that there is definite interest in hiring her.

There are hundreds of banks up here. I’m not sure why you’d think we wouldn’t let Megan get her own account. As good a friend as she is I’m not going to share a bank account with her. It would be stupid on my part as well as hers. I work hard for my money and I’m not going to give anybody else access to it without a damn good reason. And I’m sure M feels the same way. We invited her up here expressly to gain that financial independence and for me to stand in the way of that is counter productive.

Think about a college dorm. When you move in you have no idea if your roommate is going to steal your things, destroy the room, or even kill you in your sleep. Megan and I already know each other. And while I like to think that I’m creative if I had the ability to create my family, my mother’s live journal, journals for at least 5 separate local friends, as well as a fake journal for myself I really hope I’d put that to a better use than that. I’m not a Sailor Moonie (in fact I’ve actually never seen an episode of Sailor Moon from start to finish). I’m just a normal 22 year old. If you want to know something about me just ask. The biggest thing I’ve got to hide is the fact that I sometimes sleep with a stuffed woolly mammoth.

Being concerned for your friend is wonderful. And I’m sure M is flattered to have people willing to stand up for her like that. Everybody needs friends like that. But it’s not fair to either of you to tell her to go ahead one minute and then to tell her what a stupid idea it is the next. It’s a hard decision to just pick up and leave your home and family behind. I know that I personally could never do it. But Megan has the determination to do something and all I want to do is help her. I’m sorry if you don’t like or trust me and I truly hope that we can change that.

Re: Since this post is obviously for me...

Date: 2004-04-26 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mashoogina.livejournal.com
You say it’s one of the stupidest decisions that you’ve ever seen anyone make. I’m sorry Allie but I’m having a VERY hard time seeing where you are coming from when in at least two posts I’ve seen you go in to detail on just what a GOOD idea it is (Here and Here).

Okay, if you will note in those posts, I never specifically say to YOUR house. My understanding at the time was that Derr was going to Cincinnatti with your assistance. Until ALL the details became clear, I was optimistic.

I’m not going to leave Megan in a ditch somewhere...As for the “uterine sex cult”, I live in Cincinnati. This is one of the LAST places on earth you’d ever find something like that.

Okay, you're reading way too much into what I said there. First of all, none of us know you, so we don't know if you're psychotic. There are plenty of people who squeal like girls and then are doing hideous maniacal things. Not that I'm saying that YOU are, but it is to illustrate a point. Second, "uterine sex cult" not existing in Ohio. Another statement illustrating a point or notion. Stranger things have and do happen. For those of us who are in regular touch with reality, truth is stranger than fiction. Again, fictionalizing oneself: there are plenty of people who are very talented at creating alternative worlds and personalities, they're called schizophrenics and people with multiple personality disorders. Are they making money off their talents? Then there are the people who have no interest in their creative and imaginative skills, because they have other more pressing 'needs.'

There are hundreds of banks up here. I’m not sure why you’d think we wouldn’t let Megan get her own account. As good a friend as she is I’m not going to share a bank account with her. It would be stupid on my part as well as hers.

Again, you did not read what I wrote correctly. Do you fall into the category of immediate and extended family? Maybe in LiveJournal, but not in reality. That makes no sense. Why would I ever consider that YOU would be opening a joint account with Megan? or vis versa?

Think about a college dorm. When you move in you have no idea if your roommate is going to steal your things, destroy the room, or even kill you in your sleep.

A college environment is slightly different in terms of not being totally in the private sector. It is a communal group of people. Generally you are more secure in your college dorm.

Megan and I already know each other.

In what context? You 'already know each other' in the context of cyberspace. Which means that you have limited contact with each other, and have no conceivable idea of the extent of each of your idiosyncrisies.

But it’s not fair to either of you to tell her to go ahead one minute and then to tell her what a stupid idea it is the next. It’s a hard decision to just pick up and leave your home and family behind. I know that I personally could never do it.

Props for you. But the fact of the matter is, if you will refer to the top of this message, it indicates that I did not know the extent of this plan, nor did any of Megan's other friends, until very recently. I think that given the times, we have a right to be worried about her situation. Although we hope that she makes the right decision and we are trying to be optimistic, we feel that we have a duty to express our sentiments considering the impressive number of unknown variables in this situation.

But Megan has the determination to do something and all I want to do is help her. I’m sorry if you don’t like or trust me and I truly hope that we can change that.

How about you help Megan get her butt in gear and work on her SOAS application? And make sure she is looking for jobs? I can't trust you when I don't know you except from the context of LiveJournal, and your squealy icon and your ridiculous statements that you've made as a result of taking what I have written to Megan completely out of context.

Re: Since this post is obviously for me...

Date: 2004-04-26 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikichan.livejournal.com
I was just wondering what an SOAS application is?

Re: Since this post is obviously for me...

Date: 2004-04-26 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mashoogina.livejournal.com
The School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London. I will let Derr elaborate on her application if she wants to...

Re: Since this post is obviously for me...

Date: 2004-04-27 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amasugiru.livejournal.com
You are so damn sexy!

Date: 2004-04-25 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com

I'm not mad at anyone. And I take everything you say seriously. I honestly only posted this b/c I get the questions constantly. And I do know that everyone is worried. I'm not upset with you or anyone else, Allie, believe me.

Date: 2004-04-25 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardance.livejournal.com
Dude. You are the coolest person ever ^^. Talk about not letting anything get in your way of doing something to make your life better. You are officially my hero.

Date: 2004-04-25 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com


Heh, thank you. But I'm nothing remarkable, it's more of a "desperate times, desperate measures" sort of thing. And I've been insane for years so this is just par for the course.

Date: 2004-04-25 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardance.livejournal.com
Be that as it may, I tend to have friends who complain about how horrible their lives are and then do nothing to change it because they're afraid or they're worried what their parents will think. ^^.

Date: 2004-04-25 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audaxfemina.livejournal.com
This may sound weird, but you may want to wait to get your DL until you move to Ohio. Less hassle than having one in NC, and then having to transfer for another 2 weeks after you file the paperwork. I have a friend who moved from Idaho to Texas, and she still gets shit for having her old DL. She's getting a TX one now, tho.

I have to get a new picture in August... I hate showing my nasty ID to waiters and waitresses to get liquor. I look about 30 lbs heavier than I do now...

Date: 2004-04-27 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigoraven.livejournal.com
The only problem with this idea, is if M is panning to do any driving and her crazy speeding ass gets pulled over, she's in a world of hurt for driving without a license. Most places aren't that much of a hassle, and definitely not as bad as the fine will be.

Date: 2004-04-27 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audaxfemina.livejournal.com
true, but if she's planning to drive this weekend, the paperwork won't be processed in time anyways, will it?

Date: 2004-04-27 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com


Dude, I'm not driving anywhere. S is coming to pick me up. I'm crazy, not stupid.

Date: 2004-04-27 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigoraven.livejournal.com
We knew that. ;-> Eh, not like I haven't made drives that long or longer without another driver. In that case, yeah.. hold off getting that whole license thing taken care of until you get to where you're going.

When did I miss that this was taking place this weekend?

Date: 2004-04-27 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com


*laugh* Sarah is coming up on Saturday, Sunday we drive back to Cinci.

Date: 2004-04-27 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigoraven.livejournal.com
Always nicer to make a long drive with someone else in the car. 'Course, I'm tellin' ya... if I were her, there's no way my ass would make that drive on Saturday and then turn around and come back Sunday. I'd be staying a bit longer in your neck of the woods. (Depending on how hot it is there... ;->)

Date: 2004-04-27 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audaxfemina.livejournal.com
I know. That's what I figured.

Date: 2004-04-27 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goofyrobo.livejournal.com
Then you obviously haven't let her drive you anywhere yet.

Date: 2004-04-27 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com


I suppose I should have considered that. Ah well.

Date: 2004-04-27 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starparty.livejournal.com
Whaaaat? XP

Date: 2004-04-25 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raielchan.livejournal.com
Actually, I don't exist. I'm a figment of my imagination.

Conversely, I pray for Starparty's sake that you're a real person, but I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Anyway, I think a 10.5 hour car trip can put a strain on people even if they do know each other. Well, I guess I've made a few where it wasn't a problem, but still, I've said what I meant to say.

Date: 2004-04-25 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com
that's what I figured. At leat you're an interesting figment of your imagination.

I'm real. And we've already agreed to just have an ax-killer duel. Winner gets...I forget the prize but it was someone hot.

Actually I travel well. If I can go from California to Michigan with my family in one minivan w/out a single fight, I can do anything. or almost anyway.

Date: 2004-04-25 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raielchan.livejournal.com
Ax killer duel? (aaaah yeah)

Make sure you invite me so I can watch.

You cannot have an axe-killer fight...

Date: 2004-04-27 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amasugiru.livejournal.com
And not invite me... that is so uncool. SO UNCOOL!!!

Re: You cannot have an axe-killer fight...

Date: 2004-04-27 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starparty.livejournal.com
Well we *were* going to charge $50 a seat but I suppose we can let you slide in for free just this once. ;)

Re: You cannot have an axe-killer fight...

Date: 2004-04-28 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mashoogina.livejournal.com
Gee, Skittles, you can be hacked to bits too!!! I think it sounds like fun. Can we play "Hide and Seek in a Ditch" too?

Date: 2004-04-27 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigoraven.livejournal.com
I have my concerns. But Meg, you're an adult. Last I checked, that means you get to make your own decisions. I just want you to know that if you find yourself in hot water, or really even moderately luke warm water, you feel free to give me a call. I've got your back.

Date: 2004-04-27 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maderr.livejournal.com


Thank you, McLeod.

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