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maderrTime for a minor tirade. Politics and whatnot are generally not my thing.
It's true I haven't seen his precious movies. Why? For the same reason that in the end I opted not to see Passion. And believe me there are similiarities, though I think of the two, Mel is probably the more sincere (read stable).
Nothing is more dangerous than blind ideology. Nothing. Some of the worst moments in history were caused by people that were so in love with their own lofty ideas they didn't know left from right. Rather, right from wrong.
I've sort of been on the sidelines and whatnot for his damned 9/11 movie. I've heard tons about it, I've seen clips. I refuse to shell out nine bucks to see something that I already disagree with, though I suppose I shall eventually have to see it. I could've seen Bowling more or less for free. I didn't, because I loathe stuff like that. Except just from my position, and the posts of friends, I already know what I'm going to see.
Propoganda. Of the worst sort. I really despise it that people so quickly do an about face after seeing that movie. Anything that changes your mind that quickly? Should be questioned. Heavily. All it does is tell you the easy out you want to hear, b/c of course nobody likes going to war and all. So yes, the president is evil, the US is evil, blah blah fucking blah.
I have two friends - make that one friend and her husband - who bitch about this country ever single fucking time I'm with them. Yet I see them making no efforts to leave it. Why? Because quite frankly they'd never be treated half so well elsewhere as they would here. I *still* see red every time I remember the one argument I got into with them. It is the only time in my life I was that close to violence. The other two friends with us tell me they've never been so scared in their life as they were of me that night. Not going into, b/c it's making me mad again.
And who hear knows just how difficult it is to rule a country? Exactly. So fine, bitch about the poor decisions, taxes, wtf ever. But until you can do the job better? You should probably show a tad more respect.
This is taking a turn I hadn't expected. Blah. It's probably my military upbringing. It doesn't often show b/c above and beyond all things I despise making a production of the things most important to me, but I'm very patriotic. And it's not a blind devotion either. Like I said, I was raised in the military. My parents were backstabbed by said military. I still love it. I always will.
My original tirade was against Moore. I know a vast majority of people who are nothing short of scathing toward anyone who is blindly devoted to one religion or another. Why? Because blind devotion is not a healthy thing. What it is, is desperately clinging to something in a way that you never have to see the flaws. An artificial sort of comfort. "Ignorance is bliss" in a manner of speaking. And willful ignorance is nothing short of pathetic.
And yet those same people who deride the religiously blind are easily blinded themselves by Moore. Take a look at this and then tell me how grand you think the man is. I? felt vaguely ill by the end of it. It sounds like he's never touched a history book in his entire life.
Personally I think it says a lot that in the midst of all this fighting, I am warm and comfortable and able to bitch about this. That Moore has the time and luxury to make his damned movies. That all the violence killing our men is so far away. Doesn't that say something about our oh so horrible president? Maybe only in my head.
But like I said, this isn't my thing. I know offhand a dozen people who could destroy my arguments with no effort whatsoever. And I know there's stuff I'm forgetting to include.
Seriously though, if I hear one more word of praise for that man there's going to be some violence. I've studied people like him. They're not healthy. And they're no one to ever be admired.
My two cents anyway.
**edit** My sister makes a good point - it wasn't Mel who was really the blind one in his movie. More it was the critics and what not. Fair is fair.
It's true I haven't seen his precious movies. Why? For the same reason that in the end I opted not to see Passion. And believe me there are similiarities, though I think of the two, Mel is probably the more sincere (read stable).
Nothing is more dangerous than blind ideology. Nothing. Some of the worst moments in history were caused by people that were so in love with their own lofty ideas they didn't know left from right. Rather, right from wrong.
I've sort of been on the sidelines and whatnot for his damned 9/11 movie. I've heard tons about it, I've seen clips. I refuse to shell out nine bucks to see something that I already disagree with, though I suppose I shall eventually have to see it. I could've seen Bowling more or less for free. I didn't, because I loathe stuff like that. Except just from my position, and the posts of friends, I already know what I'm going to see.
Propoganda. Of the worst sort. I really despise it that people so quickly do an about face after seeing that movie. Anything that changes your mind that quickly? Should be questioned. Heavily. All it does is tell you the easy out you want to hear, b/c of course nobody likes going to war and all. So yes, the president is evil, the US is evil, blah blah fucking blah.
I have two friends - make that one friend and her husband - who bitch about this country ever single fucking time I'm with them. Yet I see them making no efforts to leave it. Why? Because quite frankly they'd never be treated half so well elsewhere as they would here. I *still* see red every time I remember the one argument I got into with them. It is the only time in my life I was that close to violence. The other two friends with us tell me they've never been so scared in their life as they were of me that night. Not going into, b/c it's making me mad again.
And who hear knows just how difficult it is to rule a country? Exactly. So fine, bitch about the poor decisions, taxes, wtf ever. But until you can do the job better? You should probably show a tad more respect.
This is taking a turn I hadn't expected. Blah. It's probably my military upbringing. It doesn't often show b/c above and beyond all things I despise making a production of the things most important to me, but I'm very patriotic. And it's not a blind devotion either. Like I said, I was raised in the military. My parents were backstabbed by said military. I still love it. I always will.
My original tirade was against Moore. I know a vast majority of people who are nothing short of scathing toward anyone who is blindly devoted to one religion or another. Why? Because blind devotion is not a healthy thing. What it is, is desperately clinging to something in a way that you never have to see the flaws. An artificial sort of comfort. "Ignorance is bliss" in a manner of speaking. And willful ignorance is nothing short of pathetic.
And yet those same people who deride the religiously blind are easily blinded themselves by Moore. Take a look at this and then tell me how grand you think the man is. I? felt vaguely ill by the end of it. It sounds like he's never touched a history book in his entire life.
Personally I think it says a lot that in the midst of all this fighting, I am warm and comfortable and able to bitch about this. That Moore has the time and luxury to make his damned movies. That all the violence killing our men is so far away. Doesn't that say something about our oh so horrible president? Maybe only in my head.
But like I said, this isn't my thing. I know offhand a dozen people who could destroy my arguments with no effort whatsoever. And I know there's stuff I'm forgetting to include.
Seriously though, if I hear one more word of praise for that man there's going to be some violence. I've studied people like him. They're not healthy. And they're no one to ever be admired.
My two cents anyway.
**edit** My sister makes a good point - it wasn't Mel who was really the blind one in his movie. More it was the critics and what not. Fair is fair.
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Date: 2004-07-28 11:37 am (UTC)The armed services of the US are volunteer. To say that those soldiers, sailors, and marines died for no reason is an insult to those who so bravely volunteered to go over and protect our national security and those whose lives were endangered under his brutal rule.
Also, I kind of resent the fact that he spoke about us as though we are babies. Bush is not sending babies. He is sending grown men and women who volunteered themselves to protect their country under the President, who, incidentally, was already president when I and the majority of the armed services enlisted (or reenlisted as the case may be). The fact that most of us are 17-22 years old does not make our consent less valid. Not according to the laws of the United States.
Sorry for ranting in your journal, but things like this make me mad, too. It's not easy fighting for a country who is half against you without even really getting to know what they oppose. *sigh*
Have a nice day ^__^;;
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Date: 2004-07-28 11:39 am (UTC)*smooch*
I could not have said it better myself. Ye gods, everytime I hear of another soldier's death I get that much sadder.
Rany away. You have more right than me to do so. For what it's worth, those of you that do serve will always have my unwavering support.
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Date: 2004-07-28 11:59 am (UTC)?
Anyway, I've seen Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine. Both of his films bring up some good points and mention facts without judging them; however, the more I watched him the more I realized his tactic. He's an asshole and likes to jump to crazy conclusions simply to provoke a response from people. He also seems intelligent and has several good ideas he doesn't put in his movies, unfortunately. I watched both of those films courtesy of the library for free. I might see 9/11 if it were also free. It's a documentary so I think it should be. I'm not paying to have to
endurewatch it though I'm sure some of it may be amusing and/or educational. I kind of don't like the man much at this point.Yeah, I didn't have a problem with The Passion in and of itself either. I didn't want to see it, but it was just a movie adaptation of a book (albeit some of the goriest portions). Though I was kind of sick of hearing about it all the time, Mel will still always be Mr. Mad Max and Lethal Weapon to me. I'm not throwing out my Mel film library ^^
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:01 pm (UTC)Having good points doesn't save the man, I think. To be trite, Robbes Pierre and Hitler had good points as well.
And I love Mel, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that Passion was the best idea ever.
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:15 pm (UTC)Having good points doesn't save the man, I think. To be trite, Robbes Pierre and Hitler had good points as well.
Yeah, that's why I called him an asshole. It kinda makes me angry watching him act like such a stupid jerk. I can't even say he does what he does because he thinks it's for the greater good. I can say that every movie he's made has been to attack someone he hates.
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Compared to Alien3, Passion was a great idea :)
Well okay, I can't really say that seriously without having seen it.
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:18 pm (UTC)True, you did call him an asshole. I wasn't trying to argue, I was more just blathering. Sorry.
Compared to Alien3, Passion was a great idea :)<'I>
You? Are horrible. *cackles*
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:24 pm (UTC)That's fine. I just wasn't sure if you bring up another topic or not.
You? Are horrible. *cackles*
Why thank you!
*pats you on the back or some other form of non-threatening thank you gesture*
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:25 pm (UTC)non-threatening thank you gesture? what am I going to do? bite you?
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:36 pm (UTC)a. Well, this is me. I kind of think anyone may at least try to punch me.
b. Well . . . it has happened before.
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:37 pm (UTC)O_o
Dude, wtf kind of people do you hang out with? If Greg's been biting you, you should probably say something about it.
otoh.. you're listening to FOX news?
Date: 2004-07-28 12:49 pm (UTC)you are a slasher tho', so.. there's hope. ;)
Re: otoh.. you're listening to FOX news?
Date: 2004-07-28 12:50 pm (UTC)lmao. I get that a lot. I love fox news, can't help it. I guess we all have our faults ^_~
For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 12:57 pm (UTC)Dad taught her the art of not bruising. And she imprints pain like a 2x4 bashed into the skull.
b. Well . . . it has happened before.
Her teeth are as sharp as her tongue, but more likely to rend flesh from skin.
Pick your poison...
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:57 pm (UTC)Of course, I had to watch the new ep of MythBusters on Discovery that came on at 10pm last night. ^^
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Date: 2004-07-28 12:58 pm (UTC)Sounds like you probably made the less stressful decision.
I looove mythbusters.
Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 12:59 pm (UTC)SAMANTHA MARIE!!!!
Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 01:02 pm (UTC)Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 01:03 pm (UTC)*glare*
Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 01:03 pm (UTC)Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 01:04 pm (UTC)I'm going to destroy you all...
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Date: 2004-07-28 01:04 pm (UTC)Or at least come up with a safety word I guess.
So, you're saying I can *glomp* without fear of *bite*? Well okay . . .
BTW, stay tuned to LJ for the next two days to find out what my LJ post Tuesday was up to.
Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 01:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-28 01:06 pm (UTC)Or at least come up with a safety word I guess.
*falls off chair*
Glomping? I wouldn't try that, no.
*is curious*
Re: For what it's worth
Date: 2004-07-28 01:06 pm (UTC)I'm not that bad!
Dratted sisters...
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Date: 2004-07-28 01:10 pm (UTC)Nor this country's history either for that matter. Hitler attacked the US? When did that happen?
He's a fucktard.