I am sick of this

[maderr]

I wasn't going to make any sort of political post because, let's face it, people get way to hostile.

But I am sick and tired of being told that I have a character flaw because I support Bush. That I'm letting my country down because I support him. Yes, I know there are policies of his with which I disagree. But here's a fucking news flash for you - I don't have to agree with EVERYTHING he says. It may surprise some of you to know that belonging to a party doesn't mean you have to agree with every little thing it supports. Parties arent't that black and white, they're just simplified in the media b/c otherwise things would get to complicated.

Not once have I ever bashed those of you supporting Kerry. Not once. To each his own. Last I checked we were all entitled to our own opinions. The nature of politics is to disagree, I certainly don't resent anyone who has a different view than I do.

I have my reasons for supporting Bush. They're solid ones, and I'm fully aware of what I'm doing. I also have my reasons for disliking Kerry.

I am sick and fucking tired of being made to feel like a criminal because of my views.

That is all.

Comments

[audaxfemina.livejournal.com]

I understand. I mean, everyone has their reasons for who they vote for. And that's important to me... not who you vote for, but that you voice your opinion. I may not agree with some people's views, but shouting them down doesn't help anyone.

So, you get's a hug, for supporting non-apathy!!

[mikichan.livejournal.com]

Did you vote?

[sky-dark.livejournal.com]

In a nutshell. I have issues with both candidates, I did research, I used gut instinct and I voted for Bush for my own reasons. I don't think John Kerry is a bad man, but I don't think he'd be a good president.

[goofyrobo.livejournal.com]

I don't like either of them, I usually don't like either candidate in a presidential race. I pick the one that seems less a liar or less corrupt.

[nanthimus.livejournal.com]

I am sick and fucking tired of being made to feel like a criminal because of my views.

Well, you shouldn't feel that way, considering the House and the Senate and Presidential seat are ALL controlled by Republicans. You are in the majority. Congrats, you won.

And the character flaw thing is a comment on something that was posted in my journal, I take it? I believe I also said that I shouldn't think that way. And I shouldn't. But I do have a hard time understanding how any intelligent person could vote for Bush. That is simple my opinion.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

I really don't see it as a matter of winning. Power and parties flucuate constantly. And what makes me feel lousy is the way people suddenly look down on me for being Republican. I've read all your rants and not said a word - other than that we shouldn't discuss politics. Considering how highly I've always thought of you, it stings a bit that you so rapidly have decided I'm not intelligent. On that note - the character flaw thing wasn't you specifically - that wasn't the first or last place I heard it.

As to not understanding how an intelligent person could support him - isn't that being a bit blind sided yourself? I'm not trying to cast stones or whatnot, but I do think that's rather an unintelligent thing to say.

[nanthimus.livejournal.com]

Oh, I see it as a matter of winning. It's already been said that Democrats have a long, LONG way to go to be able to come back from this, considering how Republican everything has gone. In actuality, I've never thought you were unintelligent. I don't see how you could vote for Bush, but I don't think you're unintelligent.

isn't that being a bit blind sided yourself?

It may very well be. I could be blinded by my bleeding heart liberal views. But, since it is in my opinion that he's completely failed at presidency, I do wonder at how they (intelligent Republicans) could vote for him. I know they have different views and opinions than me, and that might be the problem. How dare people disagree with me?! Joking, joking.

In all honesty, I would like to talk politics with you sometime. You ARE intelligent, and I would like to find out your views on this. Especially since we SEEM like we have a lot in common. Who really can tell though, huh? *g*

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Bleeding heart liberal? Lol - I don't see that in you.

Maybe we can sometime, though could it wait 'til after Nanowrimo? Pretty please?

And in all honesty, I don't think the dems will have *that* long to wait. Not with everything going freakin' nutsoid over gay rights. The republicans do have a few good points, but I think in the end the Dems will take that one - and it's getting slowly to be *the* issue, after the war. So despite the lead republicans have for now, I think you'll be stomping us into place eventually.

[nanthimus.livejournal.com]

Aha! No, I'm no bleeding heart. You got me there. *g*

though could it wait 'til after Nanowrimo?

Oh yes! Gah! I'm so screwed for that, I really need to get started. I'm ashamed of my word count.

Eh, who knows. Gay marriage isn't going well so far in the states that voted on it yesterday. Including Georgia. *sigh* But I've already ranted about that.

Anyway, you and I are okay now, right?

[maderr.livejournal.com]

You can do it! Though I think the only reason I might possibly do it this year is b/c I'm cheating and working with something I already started.

We're cool - bad me for even starting something. I need supervision, I swear.

And just wait until the old foggies are out of office and we're the old foggies controlling things. Slasher Unite! Then we can set things straight.

[nanthimus.livejournal.com]

Oooh! I think the story I'm trying to write it a bit ambitious; it's set in eighteenth century England, something I know nothing about.

No no! I'm happy we talked about this. It may have just been me, but things seemed tense. Or I'm paranoid. Either way, it's good we talked.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Oh, neat. But intimidating - I have an idea for a highwayman story set about that time/place and it's utterly overwhelming to me trying to write in an historical setting. Maybe I should hit up the ol' bodice rippers for details at some point. Heh. What's the story about? Did I miss a post about it somewhere? That would be entirely keeping with me.

Mew. I think I tend to get too touchy about things. But I'm glad we talked too. I better get now exactly what you were trying to say.

[nanthimus.livejournal.com]

Oh, well, it's really just about the lives of the servants working at the Duke of *blank* (I can't even decide where exactly located. Somewhere in Northern England though). That sounds boring but...eh. Have you ever read Lorena's The Holly and the Ivy, a Gundam Wing 3x4 fic? I got the idea from that. And it's also slash. Of course. Oooh, highwayman story. You should do it. Historical settings are a BITCH, and I don't want to suffer alone.

I don't think you were too touchy. In any case, I feel better about us. I feel like we need to get everyone to sit in a circle and sing, "We Are Family."

...

*hugs*

[maderr.livejournal.com]

The Holly and the Ivy? Have not read it, shall seek it out when I get the chance. Lol - let me knock out some other stories first and then I shall join the suffering with you.

I feel like we need to get everyone to sit in a circle and sing, "We Are Family."

*giggles* That's an image.

*glomps*

[nanthimus.livejournal.com]

http://www.ontheqt.org/hermione/ There ya go. ;) You do have a lot of stories on the board, don't you! I have to go to your website and read up on them.

*giggles* That's an image.

Yeah, just thank God it's not happening; My singing voice is quite frightening. *g*

[thealisonbailey.livejournal.com]

<3 You seem to say these things so I don't have to.

If belonging to a party meant you had to vote a straight ticket, then there would be no use in voting or campaigning. They'd just tally up how many people where in each party and ask them to pick a guy to be president.

As far as agreeing with everything, let's not forget that even Cheney has somethings he doesn't agree with the president on. If you do agree with everything a person stands for, you're what my father calls a "Kool-Aid drinker", referencing the mass suicide by Jim Jones' followers.

I'm damn proud of my ballot, not reason anyone else shouldn't be either, but just because I'm proud of mine doesn't mean I want to force it on everyone else.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Ah, but you say it ever so much more calmly and maturely. Even on LJ my temper always seems to get the best of me.

[thealisonbailey.livejournal.com]

Ah, but you say it ever so much more calmly...
Only 'cause I treasure my life and in a land of hostile Democrats have to be. (I've been labled "the Republican" and have a few people who now won't talk to me just because of that. Real nice ones, ain't they?)

... and maturely.
I spend today thinking "In Japan, they'd say, 'Erection!'" XD

[maderr.livejournal.com]

That's adult and intelligent of them. Morons.

I spend today thinking "In Japan, they'd say, 'Erection!'"

*dies laughing*

[goofyrobo.livejournal.com]

You are from North Carolina, you have no choice but to be pro Bush.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Hardly. I don't know about the rest of the state, but RoRap we were all but shot for being Republican. I was duly surprised to hear Bush took the state.

Besides, I'm not from anywhere. I just say NC b/c that's easiest for people to understand.

[goofyrobo.livejournal.com]

That is weird. I thought rednecks with guns would come after anyone not voting Bush.^^

[raielchan.livejournal.com]

Actually, I am in the pro-death penalty pro-no-gun-control camp, but I voted for Kerry anyway.

At least with Bush, I can enjoy freedom to purchase semi-automatic arms without restriction on clip size. So, there are some good things.

I just better be careful not to get hurt because I can't afford the health care! Well, we'll have to see what he does about that.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Too busy hunting or watching Nascar to get up in arms about anything, really.

[goofyrobo.livejournal.com]

yeee haaaaw! Lookit, that cars gunno go round agin!

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Stop that!

[goofyrobo.livejournal.com]

And please please please tell me you sent in an absentee ballot. Even if you voted for the other guy.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

The saddest part about all of this is that I went to a fuckload of trouble to get registered in this state. Then I set my goddamned alarm clock wrong and woke up too late to make it to the polls before work - and when I asked around about where to go during lunch or whatever, no one could tell me. So essentially I suck, but not for lack of trying.

[mailechan.livejournal.com]

For shame! ^_^

No, actually, I almost got run over on the way to the polls myself, and I started thinking about what would happen, after ranting about going to vote, what would happen if I didn't vote and I felt very guilty. Silly, isn't it?

[maderr.livejournal.com]

I am a bad girl -_-;;

There are sillier things.

[minni.livejournal.com]

*pets Maderr* I may have voted for a Republican president, but it's amazing how quickly they stop yakking on my case when I say, "Oh, and the first Democratic Governor for the state of Montana? I vote for *him* too."

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Ah, Minni. Ever confounding people with your ability to think for yourself and well outside the box.

[minni.livejournal.com]

I like Schweitzer, partly because he seems to know a little better about what he would do (and why and how he would do it), and partly because he wants to end partison. The man selected a Republican running mate, which is not something you see everyday.

[raielchan.livejournal.com]

By the way, there are several people at my office (my supposed friends - in fact) who make me feel the same way about the fact that I voted for Kerry. I just nodded and restrained from retorting to their claims (because my reply would not have been nice). It sucks.

Well, I didn't try very hard to convince anyone of my beliefs because although I think evidence supports my conclusion:

a) I'm not very good presenting it.
b) It's not something worth ruining friendships over.
c) Trying to change someone's mind who has already made a decision rarely ever works.

But, I don't think that everyone who voted for Bush has a character flaw, and I don't think that everyone who voted for Kerry was smart.

However, I do and did have very strong feelings about it which will hopefully not return for another four years. I try to restrain actually caring about politics for election time.

[goofyrobo.livejournal.com]

yea, I have refrained from what's really been on my mind about most, not all, Bush supporters. It would actually offend people I normally cannot offend...it would offend like Penn and Teller offend....

[mailechan.livejournal.com]

Here here! This is YOUR opinion and YOUR choice. Not your neighbor's, not his smartmouth, jackassed bitch of a girlfriend, yours. So stick with it and (please pardon my language) fuck them all.

I don't care who anyone voted for so long as they voted. I don't bash Bush voters, I don't mock Kerry supporters. Hell, I don't even make fun of independent party supporters.

So long as you actually went out to the polls and placed a ballot, I will listen to you speak your opinions and cheer you with your support of whatever candidate you choose.

(Oh, but I withdraw my support of anyone who wrote anything stupid in the "other" box-like Bill the Cat or "Number One")

p.s. Can you tell I've had to deal with this before?

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Bill the Cat? Why do people think this is a joke? I'm still mad at myself for never making it to the polls, the fact that people would waste their time by doing something like that aggravates me to no end.

Sounds like you might have dealt with this once or twice or so XP

[mailechan.livejournal.com]

It makes me mad as well. It's like a kick in the spleen to me, who is actually taking things seriously for a change and am trying to vote conscientiously.

[cloveridian.livejournal.com]

YAY! Finally someone who won't bite my head off for supporting Bush. ::congragulates on verbal smack::

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Is it just me or is it decidely twisted that it's the bush supporters feeling hassled? Or maybe I just haven't seen the Kerry supporters that were getting grief.

Roll up...

[mashoogina.livejournal.com]

Yo.

Okay, I don't like Bush and I'm not thrilled with Kerry either. I don't like Bush because he's fucking with my region of the world, but I don't blame Bush exclusively for the total fuck-ups that are running Washington right now and making my regional work a non-event.

I vote Republican because I am socially conservative. I totally agree with everything you've said and I think it's really articulate. I try not to berate people over their political views and ideologies or their religious hang-ups etc., because in the end, it's not my place to make a moral judgement call or to get involved with what is really considered a private duty of citizenship.

You're not a criminal because you have a conservative outlook on the world. I completely agree with you. I'm totally sick of hearing people crack jokes about America and how stupid we are and how fucked up we are and how arrogant we are (which we are)... and this is in the classroom mind you! But I'm not allowed to say something like, "Well, it's not like France is on top of the world either." People are so misinformed and misguided and just plain RUDE nowadays and totally out-of-control that it's hard to know which end is potentially up.

But I loveded joo, Miss Derr, and the Queen is still a registered Republican, despite supporting Kerry. :) Never fear!

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

All things considered, I think you were a lot nicer than I'd've been. I've been putting up with shit like that since coming to campus. I figure I was fortunate enough at least that Andrea, for all that she strongly hates Bush didn't completely berate me for supporting him. She actually told one of her friends to chill out when he started blasting me for it.

But that's not the point. The point is, all around me for the past two months I've sat through endless streams of Kerry glory and Bush abuse. Whatever. You like who you like. Power to you. But why is it whenever I strike up with my opinion, I'm submitted to an interrogation reminiscent of the Inquisition?

Voting isn't about conformity. It's free thought and free choice. Somewhere along the way, people get so caught up in their own ideas and thoughts that they forget--I don't have to think like you do. Nor am I supposed to.

And that's really the true glory of it all.

Oh yeah

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

I've got a rather formal rant/post thing that's likely to get me skinned alive by a fair majority of the community. But I'm willing to take the flogging.

But I'm having trouble phrasing the argument. Maybe you could help me tonight? No intention of disturbing your writing or anything, but thoughts on cohesion and clarity would be welcomed. If I'm going down, by god, I'm gonna make it worth the fall! [heart]

Re: Oh yeah

[maderr.livejournal.com]

I think you liked being flogged.

I'll be glad to help.

[mashoogina.livejournal.com]

Sophomore year Matt Paeffgen said to me, "At least I didn't vote for BUSH!" right in front of Commins, and Commins seriously didn't speak to me for a day. He said, "I don't want to hear it!"

Since when did it become a crime to be socially conservative?

Don't worry, Commins told me once, "All these democratic kids out here and these earth monkeys, they'll all be driving Volvos and drinking coffee made from the blood of migrant workers in ten years."

I think more in academia you're expected to vote democratic. So much for freedom of expression.

[flamebyrd]

I personally have never been able to understand why somebody would choose to be a part of an organisation that believes things they don't agree with... this goes for religion as well as politics.

[torah.livejournal.com]

And people like us are called the warmongers... Really, Maderr, how do we put up with it?

[maderr.livejournal.com]

I guess "by declaring war" is the wrong answer?

[torah.livejournal.com]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Or maybe I don't understand what you're saying... What are you saying?