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[maderr]

All right, I don't fucking get it. This is why I hate motherfucking gymnastics.

The American chick was damn near fucking perfect. The Chinese chick FELL ON HER FUCK FACE AND GOT A HIGHER SCORE. THAT IS BULLSHIT.

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[mailechan.livejournal.com]

It does sort of seem like the judges were feeling that the US was getting too many medals, doesn't it?

[mcartel.livejournal.com]

Is that the floor routine? Cause even though Chinese chick got a higher score in that the Gold medal was won by Romania then the Silver and Bronze to America. ^_^

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

I think it's to do with starting values and degree of difficulty. She might've fucked up more, but the start value for the vault + the degree of difficulty (not to mention her first jump was already scored fairly high) still netted her a higher score.

It's that new math.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, on the version that I was watching, there was an old guy - a foreigner, I don't remember his name -- who was very passionately upset about the scoring. He had a lot to say about breaking the 'young gymnast's heart'.

Watching the two, I admit that I felt that the Chinese girl didn't do as well as they scored her. (Foreign-Old-Man thought she should be around a point less, and explained why, but this stuff all goes over my head. I just felt like the Chinese girl's landing was crap. I felt bad for her, to land so badly >_< but apparently it didn't really cost her...?)

[lusiology.livejournal.com]

It's to do with the level of difficulty score when they enter for the floor routine, the combination and height of the tumbles and how animated they are during the routine.

Can't remember her name, but one of the US gymnasts had legs like tree trunks.

[arinan.livejournal.com]

Johnson? She was technically good, very solid, but she also had little artistry. It was... annoying. The judges clearly hated it.

[lusiology.livejournal.com]

Solid. *nods* Definitely.

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

YES, THANK YOU. In the end, they still got the medal, but come on. You've got to be fucking kidding. Thank goodness for the red-wearing woman who stalked towards the judges, and then the scores went back up.

[arinan.livejournal.com]

I flat up admit I missed the individual events, so I have no idea what you're talking about, but I did compete in gymnastics for three years so I understand how this happens. Mind you, it was under the old scoring system, but the new and the old aren't actually as different as they seem at first. They definitely are based on the same principles.

So scoring works out a bit differently depending on what event you're on, but let's use vault since it's super simple. Each vault is assigned a certain value. This has always been true. In the old system they just deducted from that start value. In the new scoring they add the start value to the execution value that they deduct from. All routines follow basically the same formula except the start value takes more math to figure out. Now, there are a shit-ton of things you can get deducted for; seriously, the list is several pages long. A fall on beam costs .5 and you, depending on how you fell, might also lose whatever skill you were doing thus bringing down your start value (I'm using the old scoring for this example because I'm more familiar with it). But, if someone with a start value of 9.2 does a perfect routine and gets the full value, and then someone with a routine worth 10.0 does a routine perfectly except for falling off while doing a dance step, the first routine will get a 9.2 while the second a 9.5 despite the fall.

Gymnastics scoring is one of deduction. It's really weird and it took me a full year to really get the hang of it. It's also majorly subjective. There is a lot of leeway for the judges because while they can take off tenths for almost everything, they don't have to. It's important to impress them emotionally as well as technically.

Anyway, I hope that helps. Although I have to say, the judges really weren't liking Johnson at all during the all around. They seemed fine with Luikin, but something about Johnson was bugging them.

[arinan.livejournal.com]

*blinks* Wow, sorry about the long essay.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm totally with you, Alicia should have gotten the bronze. I know her start value wasn't high and the Chinese girl had a great first vault, but I don't see how two hops can score lower than an execution error and a fall. But I'm not going to pretend I know anything about gymnastics scoring, so the judges obviously saw something I didn't.

JM

[arinan.livejournal.com]

In highschool scoring, at least, a fall is .5, a step is .1, and a hop can be .2. If there were two hops than under the old system in highschool that at least could be .4.

But as I've said, I totally missed this, so no idea except what people commenting here have said.

[(Anonymous)]

If you take away the start difficulty, the American scored the highest and the Chinese girl was in 4th. The new scoring system is screwing everything up.

[arinan.livejournal.com]

All that means is that the American had less deductions. Vault scoring in particular always had a set start value that you deducted from. It could have gone the same way. Under the old system it probably wouldn't have since the difference in start values wasn't that great, but the possibility is still there.

Again, I didn't see this so I'm just playing devil's advocate.