Sex slaves annoy the fuck out of me

[maderr]

I'm so sick of the sex slave/perfectly made creature to serve your every need I can't stand it -__-

Mind you, I say this fully aware I have my dwtd dragons. I guess that means I have no room to talk. But, srsly, shit like this just annoys me because it makes no goddamn sense in the end:

Hajiri is a zonewarrior. A former gunwhore who once sold his body for money, he’s looking for the job that will let him move up in the live and die world of the Shinjuku Containment Area.

A chance meeting outside a popular Shinjuku club leaves Hajiri in the possession of a corporate high roller’s battlepet. A young human/snow leopard cross genetically engineered to be the perfect sexual partner and bodyguard.

The last thing Hajiri needs is a complication in his life. But how can he turn away a person who had been tossed out like so much trash, especially when that man just saved his life?

Hajiri doesn’t want responsibility. What Hajiri gets is a lot more than he bargained for when the young man shows him what it means to be a battlepet’s Master.

Contains graphic sexual encounters between men, strong D/s themes, toys, spanking and violence.

I do not think there is a good way to do such a thing. It always comes off as half-assed and way beyond any suspending of disbelief--and I'm good at suspending. I would have to be, some of the crap I write. I hate when people try too hard in general to build a society and all around elaborate sexual things like this. Forced, half-assed, and everything else. I've never bought a single one.



...I obviously just need to go find another way to cheer myself up. The ebook method is just not working tonight.


Still, it's high on the list of things that bug me to fucking death. It just does not work. I just don't see it as a society that would work well for very long. To design such a society that puts so much emphasis on such things, and more or less revolves around them...would take a lot more work than anyone is ever going to give it, since we all know the real point of such stories is all the smut and bdsm crap that can be shoved into them. The most crucial piece would be the reason that a society would develop in such a way. People always skip that--why does a culture behave the way it does? What made the current norm necessary once upon a time? If that question was answered, something fascinating could probably be done. But no one ever does. It's always just a smut fest.

Comments

[lokiloo.livejournal.com]

I remember, once upon a time, stories avoided plot holes and fixed them. Now we just fill them with bad sex and say they're fixed. In reality, they're only gonna break up the next winter! :(

[seaknight.livejournal.com]

Wow, that's... quite the rant.
...How about I write a story for you? Make a request, and I'll try to make it to the best of my ability.

Of course, if not, I'll understand. ^^

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Psh. That's a lazy rant for me, really. I can go forever when I really get started ^^;;;

You don't have to write anything for me ^___^ Honestly, the ranting should not be encouraged.

[seaknight.livejournal.com]

*looks at the rant*
Lazy? ...Really? *looks again*
I've never even had a rant half as bad as that...
Well, whatever. Hope tomorrow goes better for you. ^^

[spy-c.livejournal.com]

Wow. You must be a saint. I think I rant worst than that... >.

[moonkitsune.livejournal.com]

I tend to find the culture and makeup of a society fascinating, though greatly overlooked. There are plenty of reasons to justify a sex trade in a society. However, the books that tend to show no creativity in the worlds they create will continue that lack of imagination through the book in their characters and the sex scenes they focus on. In the long run, it’s not worth reading them. As with any genre, you have your good and you have plenty of your bad. Sadly, there are no prison sentences for writing bad literature, and too many people write smut with the idea that it’s the only thing needed to write a good piece of erotica. *Still stands in the belief that any piece of writing requires plot and structure*

Hopefully something comes along to bring back your hope in that type of idea. I find it very interesting.

[rustedinkwell.livejournal.com]

Your DwtD dragons don't thrive on sex though. You have it set up so that they bond with their masters (knights?) over trust and love, not spanking and buttplugs. It's my understanding that they aren't set up to be sex slaves, but to protect things be it people or territories or whatever. Or, in some cases, sleep and eat treats.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you've got the right of it. It just occured to me they are owned, essentially, they do fight, and they're more than happy to provide sex. So, the similiarities were there, at least superficially. I just try hard not to put my foot in my mouth, since I do it a little too often as is.

[wittyilynamed.livejournal.com]

How funny. I didn't rant neccassaryily, but I'm buring out on the whole slave thing to.

I'm so sick of the fragile pretty boy who get raped and beaten and their master saves them to do essentially the same thing.

Just with "love" involved.

[lokiloo.livejournal.com]

I'm so sick of the fragile pretty boy who get raped and beaten and their master saves them to do essentially the same thing.

amen, sister, amen

[spurious-sanity.livejournal.com]

ugh, agree whole-heartedly. Actually, the whole "I love you so much, I just HAVE to rape you, I do it to show my love!" thing sucks. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned courtship? How can you love someone without even showing basic respect for their body, limits and free will?

[spurious-sanity.livejournal.com]

*eyes own stories nervously*

... XD

I can see the sex slave thing as an underground business, there will always be depressing stuff in the bad part of town, but accepted in normal society?

What decides who becomes slaves and who becomes masters? Not to mention training all these slaves would require a lotta money. And you'll get, what, 10-20 years outta one before he/she isn't very attractive any more? If that much? What then, slit the throat and get a new one? Which yet again leads back to who's the slaves and who's the masters, 'cause how do they recruit new ones? A pregnancy would take several months where that particular slave is useless. 'sides, new slaves would have to be slavexslave breed, right? If not, the line between master/slave would be blurred pretty damn quickly. And if it's a race difference thing, sex slaves aren't really plausible, since most of the so-called superior race wouldn't want to touch one in such an intimate way.

.....oh god, why am I even giving this serious thought...?

And I don't really get why such a story has to be D/s, really, 'cause then how is the new "owner" different from the people who see the slave as an object? I like my pr0n with a dash of romance. People don't love objects. I mean, I love my laptop, but I wouldn't date it. I'm guessing the argument is "oh, but the slave needs this treatment to get sexual pleasure", or whatever? First, relationships where one part is pushing their sexual deviancy on the other don't usually work out too well. Second, if a person's been abused, they usually don't want more abuse, and if they do, I'm thinking it's some sort of psychological coping mechanism, which probably isn't very healthy.

...okay, I'll stop now. sorry 'bout ranting, I'm addicted to rants, and at 3am, the brain-mouth (or, in this case, fingers) thing kinda shuts down on me...

[skylark97.livejournal.com]

Hajiri is a zonebrat, one of the multitudes left to eek out a living at the half wild and corrupt edges of the Shinjuku Containment Area. A former gunwhore who once sold his body for weapon supplies, he’s looking for the one chance that will let him move up from fighting tooth and nail for every meal to the legitimate world of the Shinjuku Containment Area.

A botched poker game at a a popular Shinjuku club that was supposed to secure him a real job that didn't involve selling himself for black market weaponry instead leaves Hajiri in the possession of a corporate high roller’s battlepet. A young human/snow leopard cross genetically engineered to be the perfect bodyguard.

The last thing Hajiri needs is someone trying to protect him. He's spent his entire life protecting himself from elements much harsher than what the posh world of the Shinjuku Containment Area can even imagine. There isn't much a pampered pet--bodyguard or no--can offer him and that's ignoring the fact that he can't even scrape together the money to feed himself let alone a genetically modified complication.

But when the pampered pet manages to save his ass, Hajiri suddenly has bigger problems then whether or not he should keep his new pet. Not to mention that said pet doesn't seem to believe in following orders, obeying requests or listening to him in general.

Hajiri doesn’t want responsibility. What Hajiri gets is a lot more than he bargained for when the young man shows him what it means to be a battlepet’s Master.

There. I fixeded it. ^_^

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Why is yours so different? I copied it straight from the website *has a feeling she's missing something obvious*

[skylark97.livejournal.com]

XD It is different because I rewrote the summary.

(Don't mind me. I'm being a dork. It's just sometimes you read these summaries and think, geez, I want to fix it so that it doesn't sound completely ridiculous. Of course, who knows if I actually accomplish said feat, but it's fun? ^_^;;)

[maderr.livejournal.com]

*laugh* That's what I thought, but then I started second guessing myself. It had your flare, but half asleep I never trust myself at all.

[skylark97.livejournal.com]

No worries. I'm not exactly breaking the sound barrier with the speed of my thought at the moment, so it's wholly probable that I went from point A to point C without hitting point B.

It's been a Monday, hasn't it? X_x

[saaski-moql.livejournal.com]

Heh, I read the first sentence, did a mental double-take, then laughed and read it all the way through. XD I like this fixeded version. Heck, I'd read it.

[thealisonbailey.livejournal.com]

Not to be a total downer on the subject, but after seeing a photo exhibit of REAL sex slaves at the Morgantown Arts walk a few months back, I could not stay far enough away from the mere idea of sex slaves. I still want to cry and punch the wall just thinking about those poor people.

[mechante-fille.livejournal.com]

I agree with you about many of the slavefics out there. Not my fav genre. But on the rec of a dear friend who has yet to steer me wrong, I just read "The Slave Breakers" series by maculategiraffe. While not completely devoid of elements mentioned or eluded to above, it at least puts forth the 'how did this happen' piece. In her summary, she refers to the premise as a cross between The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty and Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" (sell the extra babies of the poor Catholics to the rich folk to eat. Everybody wins. Side Note: I'd never heard of that Anne Rice series. She got paid to write that?!) Which translates, in this story, as a country with no beggars, because parents may sell their children on the 15th birthday.

Anyway, not saying you should read, since you have no love for the genre, anyway, but you were wondering if there was something different out there, and this was that. Different enough? Don't know. Oh, the series of three books is complete, btw.

^___^

[hartfully.livejournal.com]

AMEN, SISTER.

Although this is coming from me, someone who really doesn't like hardcore slave!fic or heavy kink. OF COURSE. XD

I, on the other hand, am plotting a story about a man and his two children who move to a town and find out that the man is like, the prince of his people (who all live in the town, yay!) and so on and there is courtship involved and totally ridiculously sappy family happenings and OMG even I'M getting cavities and I love fluff.

I-I blame this completely on too much Animal Crossing.

[spy-c.livejournal.com]

Just for the record your dwtd dragons are nothing like that. They actually have a personality and are not made just for sex. They just like it. There's a huge difference which is why your dragons are nice to read and the snow-leopard/human thing is not going to be one I'll be reading. Like you said, I'm quite through with that genera. I tried to read some of it, but it just got old after a while.

[hyperjirou.livejournal.com]

Have you ever read S A Payne's Heroes and Ghosts? Because it sorta twists the slave thing. Guy gets pet accidentally. Guy freaks out. Guy notices something is weird about his pet (pets in this world are creatures created to look like humans but have intelligence about the level of a dog). There is no bdsm, the slave expects (and fears) it, but it doesn't happen. Neither is there spanking. In fact, it's obvious early on that the master is definitely not a seme.

It's an interesting story with quite a bit of intrigue. And the "master" is a nerdy entomologist.

[hyperjirou.livejournal.com]

Also, forgot to mention, there is quite a bit of world building in the story.

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

Ooooh... *goes to find this* Is it any good? There are the first 39 chapters posted, but I can't find the e-book anywhere. It's like you can only buy the paperback version T.T

[hyperjirou.livejournal.com]

You either buy paperback or you have to pay for a month's subscription to her site. I think it's pretty good. It's my favorite story of the ones she's written.

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I ended up figuring that... It's a little annoying though! What if you prefer reading on your computer, you know, or don't live in the States? Conventional ebooks would be much better. /rant

[hyperjirou.livejournal.com]

I actually read it as a result of a subscription, before she released the book, so I hadn't really thought about it before. Truthfully, I much prefer html to other ebook formats, so the website basically gives me what I want.

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

I see what you mean. I was thinking more along the lines of finished books. What if you get the urge to re-read the whole thing on the bus or something and you have no internet connection? Argh. Really, why am I arguing this: it's the author's decision after all, and there are pluses and minuses to every type of release.

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

This reminds me of my Ai no Kusabi misgivings. It's not exactly the same premise, but I also found it hard to suspend my disbelief because they don't bloody well explain 'why'. I mean, if the Elite is engineered, why the fuck do they still need to watch dumbed down pretty versions of enslaved human having sex?

[broken-moons.livejournal.com]

Haha, that's exactly why it's taking me a year (so far) tro write last year's Holidaysmut christmas challenge (toys). At first I was 'Mm, sex toy smut' but quickly the sheer unreality started to bug me.

I still kinda want to finish it, because I think I've solved part of the problem, but the rest of the problems I'm just sidestepping because all it was ever meant to be was smut.

I can't really see how to make a real story out of a premise like this, and I can understand that it bugs you when people try. :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_calex_/]

I now sort of understand why you avoid Torq. I downloaded a bunch of ebooks, and god, my brain is about to explode with just the... pointlessness. If the people who criticize your work by saying it doesn't have enough sex only reads stuff like the ones I've come across, now I know why. I don't see why there needs to be so much... sex. Practically one sex scene per chapter, or even more than one. And just... god. Where's the story? The plot? It just seems like it's been forgotten for all the sex. It's not just the case with what you've noted, this society based on sexual things. It's just been in all of the books I've read, barring one, I think. And that one, I did like. While the topic of sex was still a large part of the book, at least the author concentrated on the emotions and psyche of the characters due to the UST and all of that, rather than just "oh hi, I think you're hot so let's fuck".


One of my pet peeves in fiction, actually, is the concept of love at first sight, or people falling in love in such a short amount of time. It's illogical and very rarely is it done well. But if it is, then I'm okay with it, I do enjoy it.



However, one thing I do enjoy about these ebooks, despite the badness and smutfest all around, is the dialogue during sex. It's just... I find it hilarious. Is it just me, or do they rarely ever sound like intelligent human beings (or whatever creature they may be)? A lot of it is set in America, but it just... the way they talk to each other, their endearments and dirty talk or whatever, it just makes it sound like English isn't their first language. Or the language it's meant to be in. It just reads like a bad translation job.

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

And just... god. Where's the story? The plot? It just seems like it's been forgotten for all the sex.

You know, M recced an ebook a few weeks ago or something, so I hunted it down and bought another of the same authors. And while it's good (there is a plot and so on, and the UST is palpable in the first 100 pages or so--also, the characters are not 2D) as soon as sex comes into play, pfffft!

They were having sex at least once per chapter, and while it was hot, when I re-read it it seemed like all those interesting bits that made up the characters were like threads that were left hanging: they get together and that's that, all the problems they had as individuals don't seem to matter anymore. And it pissed me off because it's such a waste of build-up! I want to know what happens to the doctorate, to the meds, to the running... What, suddenly one is just 'living' for the other and has no other purpose than the one they defined together? ARGH.

[adlanna.livejournal.com]

Wait, is that the Fed one? Because if so, then I'm not spending my money on it, no matter how good the first chapter was...

[scary-sushi.livejournal.com]

You remember the 'desk porn' thingie? Well, I hunted down the book and bought that one and another one from the same authors, the latter being fluffier (set in a school with two school teachers.) The first seven/eight chapters were awesome: the authors took a much overdone cliche and revisited very successfully, making the characters quite real. But then there was sex, and... yeah.

Which is why I don't know how much I'll like the book M was actually talking about, and I'm kinda pushing the time I actually start reading it. *ashamed*

[adlanna.livejournal.com]

Oh dear. I hope it isn't like that, I wanted to buy it for myself for Christmas...

[jessara40k.livejournal.com]

I can buy a distopia, a world where order doesn't come from the governments, but from powerful corporations. I find it harder to believe that getting a place with a powerful corporation could be as easy as that summary implies.

I can buy rich people having genetically engineered bodyguards or sex slaves as status symbols. I can't really buy the two roles being combined, or either status symbol being abandoned as easily as the summary suggests.

As for your DwtD dragons, they're living weapons, who are designed to form a strong emotional attachment with, almost a dependence on, their wielders. Perfectly logical, even that they'd want to strengthen that attachment sexually.