Wow I'm talking too much today

[maderr]

I get my hopes up about a story only for it to ultimately disapoint. It's so depressing.

But I guess I ask for it, given what my preferences are.

My favorite...elements? I guess you'd say have the pitfall of no easy resolution. I love rivals turned lovers. I love enemies turned lovers. I love vilians that turn good w/out becoming washed out little weaklings who only Do Good. Vegeta from DBZ is the penultimate in this. He never stops being a fucking bastard; he joined the good guys because he fucking hates Goku and doesn't want anyone else kicking his ass. Darth Vader was my first true love. A villian who turns good again on his own fucking terms.

The story I read was interesting. But I wasn't buying it, not at all. Maybe because I was hoping for something else, though I wasn't surprised by what happened.

From this sort of thing, of course, spawns a couple of stories. All my stories are an effort to write in a subject/genre/stereotype that pisses me off in an effort to write a story that *doesn't* piss me off. Embrace is a primse example of this. That story will be cool when I get around to introducing the plot. DwtD was partially spawned from my rabid hate of most ghost stories (and by ghost stories, I mean of the bodice ripper variety where heroine or whatever falls in love with a ghost) - more accurately, Chris's parents were the result of my hate of most ghost stories and the rest was just my desire to write a paranormal detective story. Don't get me started, we'll be here all day.

However, the penultimate story in railing against things that annoy me or piss me off, or trying something new is Prisoner. Specifically Dieter, who is a bastard. He's an ass. He's not a nice guy at all. And yeah there will be things that soften his bastardneses, but at the end of the story he's still going to be a bastard. Leopards and spots and all that. There are other elements that include railing against shit that annoys me, but I can't say without spoiling the story. But Dieter is the primary. In any other story, he would be a villian. Everyone would hate him. He'd probably die a miserable fucking death at Beraht's hands and Beraht would happily go off to marry Lady Mary Sue Princess Wet Dream the OSC some noble, strong despite her suffering, yet sweet and gentle chick.

SCREW THAT SHIT.

I'm going to write about a bastard, and I'm going to make the world like him in all his bastardness despite all efforts to hate him. Not all bastards are villians, and you don't have to turn a Wolf into a Puppy to make him a Good Guy. There will be no coping out. I hate that above and beyond all things. If I can successfully write a Yuber/Albert fic, then I can write Dieter. And I can do it, so can the rest of the world. So if you're going to write enemies turned lovers, stop fucking chopping their balls off first. If there's love there, it might just kinda sorta possibly relate to the hate, so you can't exactly pull the punches can you?


To be fair, I'm probably odd. Some of my favorite chars in fictiondom includ Jezebel (whackjob doctor from God Child), Snape (from Harry Potter), Wednesday (from American Gods), and basically every villian you can name. I don't know why, but from the time I was little (my parents will vouch for this), I have loved villians the most. It's not even that I purposely pick the villians or refuse to like the heroes. They're just the ones that draw me. Maybe on some level I like to imagine I can relate. I'm not going to wax thoughtful about it.

But I like their villiany. I don't see Snape or Jezebel and see "oh, the're cool! I wanna turn them good" or whatever. Snape is an asshole. A bitter, angry, miserable vindictive asshole. He's never going to change. He's my favorite character in HP and I bet at the end of book seven he still will hold that place. Maybe Sammie can explain my obsession better, she always knows my thoughts better than I, but I like the baddies and the antiheroes who are two steps from villiany. Jezebel is probably one of my top favs. He gets a pretty high rating on the whackjob meter. He's not nice at all. But he does nonvillian things. While still being a bastard. Its not hard to write, if you try and don't wuss out.

So it tends to piss me off when people write Good Guy And Bad Guy Fall In Love and totally take all the easy ways out to get them together. The villian is misunderstood. He was secretly a hero.

NO NO NO NO. Redeem him fine, but do it IC. Vegeta didn't turn into a fucking pansy (except for those damned pink shirts). He never stopped being an ass. Yet he still managed to raise Trunks, and love Bulma. the scene where he hugs chibi trunks is one of the cutest scenes ever. But he was still a mother fucking bastard.

Just wait. If I can pull it off, Prisoner will show you how it's done.

Okay I'm done now. Pardon a fangirl her quirks. *slinks back to work* Half done with Doug's second story! ^_^

Comments

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

Not every uber good guy is really uber good; not every uber bad guy is really uber bad. The total bastards sometimes do the greatest things; the saints sometimes do the worst. Despite stereotypes and general fangirlish desires, there's no accurate stencil for a good guy and bad guy.

The peasant can become the king of the world. The devil can become the holiest warrior. And now I have to write that.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Of course, all this ranting brings up The Book. You know the one I mean. Two of the coolest characters in the history of fantasy and the one is so maltreated I still cry for him. And of course the obligatory:

Dear Moidart,

I love you. So very very much.

Love,
Megan

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

Yes, but they weren't as pure as "the actual hero" so they don't count. Even though they were both 100x cooler.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

So many times I wanted to stab the "Hero" in the face. Lord let me not get on *that* rant again.

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

Golden boys that fucking pure cannot exist. And yet, it was only the perfectly pure and sinless ones who did die. Even that poor kid who had a crush on that one guy died. Why? Because he liked another guy, and we can't have those complications.

Gaise's chick died because we can't have that complication. Moidart lived, but only cause all the sinners around him died.

One of the two brothers died in the beginning, because they were both "not pure" so one had to die to make the other 'turn'.

The whole book is one giant stereotype and easy-out.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

and yet the author has written several books in that verse. Every now and then I accently pick one up and think "hey this sounds interesting" and then I realize who the author is, drop it and go find a place to wash my hands. If he'd posted that story online, he would have flayed alive. Why then is he being paid to write such godawfulness. I weep at night when I think of the poor Gray Ghost. And the brothers. Even Winter Kay, who never got all the attention he should have. Meanwhile the Golden Hero dooms his village in the end because it's the Right Thing To Do.

Ugh. I wish I could erase it from my mind.

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

So many good characters, yet the only one given any credence or credit is the golden boy, haloed hero, who ultimately has no personality, is too fucking perfect, and yeah... dooms everyone because he's more right that Gaise or the Moidart or whoeverall else.

Yeah, Kay was wholly underdeveloped and underappreciated in the end. Too stereotypically bad, I think.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Heh. I seriously think when they lock us up in the nursing home one day,, we will be more than happy to sit by the window, oggle cute young boys and snark away about the sheer awfulness of this book.

[stardance.livejournal.com]

OMG I love you.

And I definately have the villain complex too (as you might have noticed? I dunno). About half the time I pick my favorite character before the rolls are really set and he goes "Haha, I am the VILLAIN!" and while I have a few exceptions (I dunno if some people make their villains more likeable than the heroes on purpose or if they just suck at making a hate-able villain or if I just like hate-able people) the villain-liking thing comes about a *lot*.

I agree with pretty much everything you say about villains turning good and all that. In harry potter, I like Snape more and more as the series go on. Tom Riddle was my favorite in book two and from book one I have liked Draco in all of his snivelling whiny spoiled glory (he has the same birthday as me >D), some of which I think gets lost on the movie audience, just cause Hollywood kind of glamorizes everything. I don't think he was so popular before the movie got made. And I'm digressing >.<

I hate villains who magically turn good too and I love villains who STAY BAD. Most of my favorite characters everywhere are evil bastards (or sluts) and the stories when the hero is BORING or a mery-sue and I know they are still magically going to come out on top and my favorite character will invariably lose annoy me.

Last year when you did Kidnapped the thing I was #1 grateful for (more even than indulging me on Lark and Karmikel, which was nice :D) was what happened with Jade, who was always my favorite, and I love how he stayed the arrogant bastard he always was and he stayed IN CONTROL and didn't die or get caught. And I appreciated that more than anything <33

So in conclusion I can't wait to see what you do with everything because you absolutely put more thought into your characters than a lot of fantasy writers. And I will stop writing novels in response to your journal entries now.

[(Anonymous)]

*Embrace leaps out at her, smacks her in the face and flops back on the monitor*

Hannah: zomfg embrace where.

[thecookietheory.livejournal.com]

*shakes fist at computer* I AM YOUR LORD AND MASTER AND YOU SHALL DO AS I COMMAND. THIS INCLUDES LOGGING ME IN WHEN I SAY SO AND KEEPING YOUR MINION-PROGRAMS IN LINE, DO YOU HEAR?

[maderr.livejournal.com]

*dies laughing*

[maderr.livejournal.com]

It's being worked on ^_^



Snow as far as the eye could see. Not soft white blanket of it, muffling the streets and stating quietly that winter had settled in for a bit of a stay.

It was a hard white, five feet high with clouds that promised there was more to come. The streets were void of life. Not so much as a stray cat braved the elements; more than a few of them would be found dead when the snow at least cleared.

Smoke and flurries mixed in the air, blown about by a whistling wind.

The storm had snuck up quietly and come down hard. No one was going anywhere until the weather broke.

Aubrey stirred briefly in bed, brow furrowing in sleep as cold washed over him. But a moment later his brow cleared and he sighed softly, pressing into the warmth which had returned. The warmth wrapped around him, held him close, pressed a kiss to his brow.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Ah, Draco. He's cool. Whiney and snivelly and rotten but there's so much interesting about him. Especially come book six. I am *dying* for the last book.

I hate villains who magically turn good too and I love villains who STAY BAD. Most of my favorite characters everywhere are evil bastards (or sluts) and the stories when the hero is BORING or a mery-sue and I know they are still magically going to come out on top and my favorite character will invariably lose annoy me.

Exactly so.

^_^ I'm glad Jade worked. He was another prime example of working against what I hate. Killing him would have been the easiest route to go, but whereas most people say7 killing is hard to do to a char, I think most people do it for the easy way out. And I refused to do that. And he would never tolerate being locked up. Jade does as Jade wants.

I like novel responses ^_^

[thecookietheory.livejournal.com]

It's sick how such a small bit can make me go all trilly.

*hart*

[mailechan.livejournal.com]

I'm a equalitarian. I love and hate villains and heroes alike. I like certain people and characters, possibly because I can see a part of myself in them.

Speaking of which, have you ever seen the Jet Li movie Hero? I think you'd find it interesting. Me, I cried. I cried more the second time I saw it. A really beautiful movie. There was absolutely no one I hated.

And Jet Li's naked butt is sexy...

[maderr.livejournal.com]

I don't purposely hate anyone. I never begin a new movie/anime/whathaveyou determined to hate the hero b/c he's the hero or like the villians because they're villians. It just nearly alwyas seems to fall that way. Heh. I should take a page from your book, maybe.


I have not seen that one. I will look for it.

score!

[stardance.livejournal.com]

Ditto on the crying and the recommendation XP

[maderr.livejournal.com]

That's two high recs. I shall def have to obtain it.

[aqua-eyes.livejournal.com]

*___* :goes off to see how far through prisioner you are:

I like my boys bad... but hate it when they loose their balls... I'll be glad to see a bad boy, but still lovin a good boy. If that makes sence.... XD;

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Ehh...Prisoner isnt much yet. I'm going to write it in one go during nanowrimo. I just hope I can pull it off; the thing about bastards is that they're verra hard to write.

^_^ This is why I love my lj buddies. We're all of a mind, and I'm therefore permitted to carry on with my insanities.

[aqua-eyes.livejournal.com]

Yes! It's like, where are all the fangirls hiding! And penis icons! Lol. Am on the prologue at the moment. Hmmm, the possiblities. *____* Body check that is.... :giggles:

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Hee!

Chapter one is here:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/maderr/355516.html#cutid1

^_^

[aqua-eyes.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I'd been trying to insert 1into the url and clicking on the 1 before that. XD;

[indigoraven.livejournal.com]

Mmmmm... Darth Vader. You and I have always been of a mind about him.. and then there are the Jean Claude's (a la The Anita Blake Series) I love Jean Claude. He is a Vampire Prince of the city who is a sexxy son of a bitch and not a terribly nice person. He loves Anita in his way, but is very pragmatic about how he needs to be. If people need killing, kill them. I respect the hell out of that. And am turned on by it.

I think I have a much greater preference for the anti-hero. Makes sense as to why I drool when Riddick and XXX come along. They're not really trying to be noble... They're just being pragmatic and doing some good along the way.

Even Adriel is, despite his going soft on a particular mortal, still a demon. He is a ruthless killer and has a nasty penchant for playing with his food.

Ah yes, and so far I love what you have up for Prisoner. I am highly intrigued to see that story continue.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Heh. Clearly Megans have good taste ^_^

RIDDICK. My love for Pitch Black will never die. I liked Chronicles of Riddick as well, but Pitch Black is my love. OMG that man.

Ah, Adriel. We need more of him. And yes, I like that for all he's softening, he ain't giving up the whole demon thing either. Heh.

^_^ I really and truly hope I can carry it off.

[thecookietheory.livejournal.com]

Prisoner isnt much yet. I'm going to write it in one go during nanowrimo.

*gaspshriekpoint* BLASHPHEMER.

P.S. But you know what's really good? The lovers who end up becoming enemies because the 'omfgIloveyoubutyou'reEVIL sex is just so good.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Blasphemy nothing. XD


The cookie makes a keen observation. I don't think I have any of that amongst my porn collection. Hmmm...

[thecookietheory.livejournal.com]

*preens*

You know what you have to do now, then? *peers with the EVIL EYE*

[maderr.livejournal.com]

*gets out fork for to poke evil eye* I have no idea what you're talking about *halo*

[thecookietheory.livejournal.com]

LIAR.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

I am innocent.

And calling me names will get you nowhere *laughs and runs*

[leairan.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, ditto on the love for villians. My very first villian was Raistlin from Dragonlance. He was such a deliciously ambigous character. He wanted power and was definitely not hesitant in doing what was neccessary to acquire it, yet he did have his occasional acts of mercy to the downtrodden. You should check out his story if you can... It's mostly in the earlier parts of the series, the first 3 Chronicles and the following trilogy Legends. After that, the series focus turned to other characters and I lost interest. Raistlin was the sole reason I followed those earlier parts.

[sagesae.livejournal.com]

I didn't cry...I was just too much in awe. Other people have tried to tell me it sucked and I just think they have absolutely no sense of artistic taste whatsoever. Bleh.

It's an awesome movie. In every sense of the word awesome.

[sagesae.livejournal.com]

lol I had the same idea about Riddick. I love the character and I share the sentiment on the movies: Pitch Black - Totally jake movie; Chronicles of Riddick - great movie but not better than Pitch Black.

And mostly I blame my shift towards liking bad characters instead of good on Stardance. She rubbed off on me years ago. Well, that and reading too many X-men and Batman comics as a kid.

[miikarin.livejournal.com]

I absolutely adore your writing and wholeheartedly wish to drink to your words. Those types of characters that you write are wonderful and human. And normal human beings have a certain limit to how much they can change before they refuse to change anymore. Also if a person has lived with a certain habit for a long time, chances are it's going to take something pretty drastic to cause them to rethink their ways or even compromise. It's just the way the world works.

Jezebel? Absolutely ♥ him. *huggles him* Ever seen his chibi holding a skull? I pretty much died there. Must make icon of that. It's cuter than my "I'm Cute" icon that I sport at the moment. I mean, c'mon, who wouldn't love an insane doctor who can look absolutely adorable holding a skull?

LOL. Vegeta! I remember him... from way back when I used to watch DBZ. (Do I sound old yet?) And Snape? He's not my favourite character, but he's up there on the list.

[kiyoshi-chan.livejournal.com]

Randomly, reading Count Cain was like asking for my heart to get ripped out, so I never finished it. But Angel Sanc ripped my heart out, and I love it anyway. (I disliked Katan immensely at one point, and then I totally fell in love when I realised how he couldn't help but be that way.)

*grin* And wow, there's a difference. I think my favourite character in Count Cain was Leif (how DO you spell that?) and I think it's because I have this thing for "eternally loyal to you" characters or something? And possibly for the quiet, calm, very... dependable sort? I have noooooooooo idea.

[kiyoshi-chan.livejournal.com]

JEAN CLAUDE SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Oh man did I love Raistlin growing up. The only Dragonlance books I read were the ones that had him.

[maderr.livejournal.com]

Dude, I barely understood Count Cain when all I had was the Japanese. But even then, I knew it was going to tear me to shreds. Because it's Kaori Yuki and she more than anyone else in Mangadom is Angst Queen. And it did, it took my heart and tore it up then threw the pieces on the ground and stomped on them. But I love it anyway. Kaori is just that good.

[thecookietheory.livejournal.com]

and this is when my computer decides to have a seizure, great

Butbut. *whine* EMBRACE. *clings* I AM SORRY LOVELY ESTEEMED AUTHORESS... OF LOVE!

xD;

[maderr.livejournal.com]

*dies laughing* I do so love you. Lemme finish DwtD and I shall force the gears of Embrace to turn once more.

Also, your computer either needs some tlc or to be taken out behind the wood shed.

[kiyoshi-chan.livejournal.com]

Oh drat, not Katan. I meant to say "Rociel". I ADORED Katan. >______>;;; Sorry, my bad.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.