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maderrI get my hopes up about a story only for it to ultimately disapoint. It's so depressing.
But I guess I ask for it, given what my preferences are.
My favorite...elements? I guess you'd say have the pitfall of no easy resolution. I love rivals turned lovers. I love enemies turned lovers. I love vilians that turn good w/out becoming washed out little weaklings who only Do Good. Vegeta from DBZ is the penultimate in this. He never stops being a fucking bastard; he joined the good guys because he fucking hates Goku and doesn't want anyone else kicking his ass. Darth Vader was my first true love. A villian who turns good again on his own fucking terms.
The story I read was interesting. But I wasn't buying it, not at all. Maybe because I was hoping for something else, though I wasn't surprised by what happened.
From this sort of thing, of course, spawns a couple of stories. All my stories are an effort to write in a subject/genre/stereotype that pisses me off in an effort to write a story that *doesn't* piss me off. Embrace is a primse example of this. That story will be cool when I get around to introducing the plot. DwtD was partially spawned from my rabid hate of most ghost stories (and by ghost stories, I mean of the bodice ripper variety where heroine or whatever falls in love with a ghost) - more accurately, Chris's parents were the result of my hate of most ghost stories and the rest was just my desire to write a paranormal detective story. Don't get me started, we'll be here all day.
However, the penultimate story in railing against things that annoy me or piss me off, or trying something new is Prisoner. Specifically Dieter, who is a bastard. He's an ass. He's not a nice guy at all. And yeah there will be things that soften his bastardneses, but at the end of the story he's still going to be a bastard. Leopards and spots and all that. There are other elements that include railing against shit that annoys me, but I can't say without spoiling the story. But Dieter is the primary. In any other story, he would be a villian. Everyone would hate him. He'd probably die a miserable fucking death at Beraht's hands and Beraht would happily go off to marryLady Mary Sue Princess Wet Dream the OSC some noble, strong despite her suffering, yet sweet and gentle chick.
SCREW THAT SHIT.
I'm going to write about a bastard, and I'm going to make the world like him in all his bastardness despite all efforts to hate him. Not all bastards are villians, and you don't have to turn a Wolf into a Puppy to make him a Good Guy. There will be no coping out. I hate that above and beyond all things. If I can successfully write a Yuber/Albert fic, then I can write Dieter. And I can do it, so can the rest of the world. So if you're going to write enemies turned lovers, stop fucking chopping their balls off first. If there's love there, it might just kinda sorta possibly relate to the hate, so you can't exactly pull the punches can you?
To be fair, I'm probably odd. Some of my favorite chars in fictiondom includ Jezebel (whackjob doctor from God Child), Snape (from Harry Potter), Wednesday (from American Gods), and basically every villian you can name. I don't know why, but from the time I was little (my parents will vouch for this), I have loved villians the most. It's not even that I purposely pick the villians or refuse to like the heroes. They're just the ones that draw me. Maybe on some level I like to imagine I can relate. I'm not going to wax thoughtful about it.
But I like their villiany. I don't see Snape or Jezebel and see "oh, the're cool! I wanna turn them good" or whatever. Snape is an asshole. A bitter, angry, miserable vindictive asshole. He's never going to change. He's my favorite character in HP and I bet at the end of book seven he still will hold that place. Maybe Sammie can explain my obsession better, she always knows my thoughts better than I, but I like the baddies and the antiheroes who are two steps from villiany. Jezebel is probably one of my top favs. He gets a pretty high rating on the whackjob meter. He's not nice at all. But he does nonvillian things. While still being a bastard. Its not hard to write, if you try and don't wuss out.
So it tends to piss me off when people write Good Guy And Bad Guy Fall In Love and totally take all the easy ways out to get them together. The villian is misunderstood. He was secretly a hero.
NO NO NO NO. Redeem him fine, but do it IC. Vegeta didn't turn into a fucking pansy (except for those damned pink shirts). He never stopped being an ass. Yet he still managed to raise Trunks, and love Bulma. the scene where he hugs chibi trunks is one of the cutest scenes ever. But he was still a mother fucking bastard.
Just wait. If I can pull it off, Prisoner will show you how it's done.
Okay I'm done now. Pardon a fangirl her quirks. *slinks back to work* Half done with Doug's second story! ^_^
But I guess I ask for it, given what my preferences are.
My favorite...elements? I guess you'd say have the pitfall of no easy resolution. I love rivals turned lovers. I love enemies turned lovers. I love vilians that turn good w/out becoming washed out little weaklings who only Do Good. Vegeta from DBZ is the penultimate in this. He never stops being a fucking bastard; he joined the good guys because he fucking hates Goku and doesn't want anyone else kicking his ass. Darth Vader was my first true love. A villian who turns good again on his own fucking terms.
The story I read was interesting. But I wasn't buying it, not at all. Maybe because I was hoping for something else, though I wasn't surprised by what happened.
From this sort of thing, of course, spawns a couple of stories. All my stories are an effort to write in a subject/genre/stereotype that pisses me off in an effort to write a story that *doesn't* piss me off. Embrace is a primse example of this. That story will be cool when I get around to introducing the plot. DwtD was partially spawned from my rabid hate of most ghost stories (and by ghost stories, I mean of the bodice ripper variety where heroine or whatever falls in love with a ghost) - more accurately, Chris's parents were the result of my hate of most ghost stories and the rest was just my desire to write a paranormal detective story. Don't get me started, we'll be here all day.
However, the penultimate story in railing against things that annoy me or piss me off, or trying something new is Prisoner. Specifically Dieter, who is a bastard. He's an ass. He's not a nice guy at all. And yeah there will be things that soften his bastardneses, but at the end of the story he's still going to be a bastard. Leopards and spots and all that. There are other elements that include railing against shit that annoys me, but I can't say without spoiling the story. But Dieter is the primary. In any other story, he would be a villian. Everyone would hate him. He'd probably die a miserable fucking death at Beraht's hands and Beraht would happily go off to marry
SCREW THAT SHIT.
I'm going to write about a bastard, and I'm going to make the world like him in all his bastardness despite all efforts to hate him. Not all bastards are villians, and you don't have to turn a Wolf into a Puppy to make him a Good Guy. There will be no coping out. I hate that above and beyond all things. If I can successfully write a Yuber/Albert fic, then I can write Dieter. And I can do it, so can the rest of the world. So if you're going to write enemies turned lovers, stop fucking chopping their balls off first. If there's love there, it might just kinda sorta possibly relate to the hate, so you can't exactly pull the punches can you?
To be fair, I'm probably odd. Some of my favorite chars in fictiondom includ Jezebel (whackjob doctor from God Child), Snape (from Harry Potter), Wednesday (from American Gods), and basically every villian you can name. I don't know why, but from the time I was little (my parents will vouch for this), I have loved villians the most. It's not even that I purposely pick the villians or refuse to like the heroes. They're just the ones that draw me. Maybe on some level I like to imagine I can relate. I'm not going to wax thoughtful about it.
But I like their villiany. I don't see Snape or Jezebel and see "oh, the're cool! I wanna turn them good" or whatever. Snape is an asshole. A bitter, angry, miserable vindictive asshole. He's never going to change. He's my favorite character in HP and I bet at the end of book seven he still will hold that place. Maybe Sammie can explain my obsession better, she always knows my thoughts better than I, but I like the baddies and the antiheroes who are two steps from villiany. Jezebel is probably one of my top favs. He gets a pretty high rating on the whackjob meter. He's not nice at all. But he does nonvillian things. While still being a bastard. Its not hard to write, if you try and don't wuss out.
So it tends to piss me off when people write Good Guy And Bad Guy Fall In Love and totally take all the easy ways out to get them together. The villian is misunderstood. He was secretly a hero.
NO NO NO NO. Redeem him fine, but do it IC. Vegeta didn't turn into a fucking pansy (except for those damned pink shirts). He never stopped being an ass. Yet he still managed to raise Trunks, and love Bulma. the scene where he hugs chibi trunks is one of the cutest scenes ever. But he was still a mother fucking bastard.
Just wait. If I can pull it off, Prisoner will show you how it's done.
Okay I'm done now. Pardon a fangirl her quirks. *slinks back to work* Half done with Doug's second story! ^_^
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Date: 2005-10-16 12:01 pm (UTC)Oh man did I love Raistlin growing up. The only Dragonlance books I read were the ones that had him.